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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and it's just me

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for a change this is a breakdown bit of

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an impromptu breakdown I was hoping to

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get out an interview with Mr Grant

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Cameron but unfortunately that's been

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delayed slightly at the very last minute

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so as soon as Grant is available we'll

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get that recorded discussing his new

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book UFO Sky Pilots AJ javard Brazilian

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researcher was also due to appear

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recently and that's had to move to next

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month so those will both still happen in

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that absence you've got me myself and I

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however my next guest should she still

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be available to appear will be Leslie

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Kane New York Times journalist and

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author we've got a lot to discuss that's

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being recorded this weekend so with any

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luck something drops this week which

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gives us a little something extra to

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dissect however given the chance I had

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some time to the court say aside I

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thought I'd speak to you myself and

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share my thoughts on some news that's

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happened in the last couple of days and

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also at the end of this short breakdown

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I'll put on my recent interview that's

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not been released yet except on premium

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platforms with Italian representative of

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icer that's International Coalition for

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extraterrestrial research Paolo gizzardi

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Paolo has been on the podcast before as

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a guest and I caught up with him just

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last week to find out a little update on

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his efforts through the United Nations

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and project Titan to bring the UFO topic

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to that that forum and platform so

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please stick around for that after I

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share my thoughts on a few news updates

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with you and for this format when other

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people aren't available when Dan's not

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available then give me a shout do you

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like the kind of one-to-one updates when

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they're very short and quick and snappy

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like this for for 45 minutes or an hour

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but it's nice to have some alone's time

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I suppose I need to start with the

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delayed report which is still delayed

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that was due to Congress on the 31st of

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October as I record this that was now 15

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days ago I talked about this with Dan on

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the last breakdown and since people at

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this point on social media seem to have

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simmered down from the initial annoyance

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at the report's lateness it's prompted

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some more civil and reason discussions

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which are always nice to see at this

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early stage regardless of any rumors

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floating around online I think it's safe

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to say it's going to be a report that is

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very much in its infancy of what these

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some of you may be sick of hearing it

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but the fact is Dr Sean Kirkpatrick who

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is heading up the team has had a very

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short amount of time to put this report

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together I think it's the equivalent of

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starting a four-year University course

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and on day one being told you've got six

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months to complete it but you can go

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find the shutters and the answers to

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those questions for yourself before you

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even know what most of those questions

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are going to be I feel that's the task

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that's currently at hand for Dr

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Kirkpatrick and others so well we

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continue to wait temper expectations and

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just hope it gives us a small building

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block to use going forward on a related

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note Graham Hancock's new Netflix series

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ancient apocalypse has prompted quite a

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lot of debate online it's an eight part

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Series where Graham travels prominent

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sites around the globe that add fuel to

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the idea there may have been far more

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advanced civilizations with perhaps

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greater technological capabilities

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further back in time than we currently

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understand I've only caught the first

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two episodes so far but I will be doing

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a more thorough of you once I've managed

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to finish this series I'd be really

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interested in your thoughts if you've

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caught the series or just in this

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overall area of discussion it may not

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directly be UFO related but it's

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certainly worth discussing as an

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offshoot of the overall conversation

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it's something you may have heard me dip

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into with guests now and again it's

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certainly relevant I definitely feel

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from the quarter of the Netflix series

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I've managed to watch it's worth your

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time it's beautifully short and explore

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some incredible areas that more and more

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are thrown into the UFO conversation

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just in the first two episodes you see

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Indonesia and Mexico

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um and and those conversations we hear a

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lot about about our own past and that

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our ancestry we know of may be incorrect

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what has been hidden away from us by

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governments for by time and natural

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disasters over the centuries and

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Millennia interestingly enough maybe

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linked maybe not I may be throwing a

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pretty spurious link together here

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Bigelow and Institute for Consciousness

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studies sent out a tweet earlier today

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which read is Humanity facing an

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extinction level event in the near

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future an important part of the bics

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grants program is to fund research that

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considers this problem through

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authenticated and corroborated

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information that can be shown to come

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from senior sources on the quote unquote

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other side interesting timing especially

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given the popularity of said Netflix

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show at the moment it was trending

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number one in the UK I know that much

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it's something I've discussed with like

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I say guests in the past like Frank

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John Ramirez and others talking about

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cataclysm past disasters like that one

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to definitely keep an eye on Avi Loeb

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former guest recently set the cat

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amongst the pigeons with his article

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that dismissed the idea that reports of

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uaps above the skies in Ukraine were

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actually nothing more likely than

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Fireballs being misidentified citing a

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lack of quality data and real evidence

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reading his latest debrief article Link

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in the description he clears us up quite

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fairly I have to say and has now found

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himself chastised by both Skeptics

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previously and now Believers alike in

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the UFO community and I'll read you a

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quote from avi's article but you should

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check out altogether it was a sobering

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Revelation for me to realize that

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adopting the agnostic Middle Ground

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faces severe scrutiny from both sides of

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a polarized Community under such

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circumstances progress in our scientific

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knowledge is suppressed by both Skeptics

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and believers who prefer not to abandon

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their premature convictions we often

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complain about politics being shaped by

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such Tendencies I never imagined the

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scientific inquiry suffers from it as

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well I think it's fair in what he says

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folks many can get stuck on either side

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of the UFO argument with their own

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viewpoints and while myself from the

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beside of the side of a Believer as you

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know I want every sighting and report to

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be a truly anomalous object that is

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never going to be the case though we

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need to make sure that in our reactions

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we don't drive away serious academics

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and scientists from these discussions at

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a time when that door is open we really

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have pushed that door open to allow

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those those minds and different thinkers

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in that could make a huge difference to

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our discussion and the topic we love so

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much and it really could help us

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progress let's make sure we welcome new

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thoughts and thinking and ideas with an

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olive branch of understanding rather

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than a baseball bat of defense and just

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before I hand over to Paul Logan's Rd I

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want to remind folks that virtual

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tickets are still available for the next

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inquiry into anomalous experiences and

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phenomena conference that is being held

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in New York City on December 3rd

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Saturday December 3rd Dan is going to be

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attending along with our friend and

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colleague Graham Rendell they'll be

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there in person along with hosts James

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iandoli J Christopher King Kelly Chase

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of the UFO Rabbit Hole podcast and

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Priscilla Stone of quantum witch Cafe

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definitely check that one out the the

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lineup is Stellar Christopher Mellon

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headlines with Leslie Kane Jeffrey

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Ralph Blumenthal Sharon Hewitt

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Rowlett and Whitley strieber and they've

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also promised some surprises and amongst

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their as well I can only imagine with

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the likes of Chris Malin and Leslie Kane

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on stage there may be some other

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familiar faces in the crowd let alone

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Danning Graham so definitely if you've

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not got a ticket I believe in person are

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now sold out you should definitely check

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out the live stream and they will be

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taking questions from the live stream

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for those guests as well the link to buy

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those tickets is also in the description

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well that's all from me folks on the

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slightly different breakdown let me hand

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over to a discussion now I had with

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Paolo gizzardi who is the Italian

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national representative of icer on his

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efforts through San Marino to bring the

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UFO topic to the United Nations and

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at this time is former guest he is a

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ufologist and Italian representative of

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icer which is the International

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Coalition for extraterrestrial research

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I have Paolo gizzardi Paolo welcome back

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to the podcast thank you and Andy my

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pleasure it's very good to have you

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again and you've been a busy man I

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interviewed you in detail about the

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origins of project Titan back in October

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of last year it just happens to be it

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it's now one year on and I would

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encourage people to go back and listen

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to that for full details about the

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project but for those who have joined us

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more recently and don't know about

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project Titan could you summarize what

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it's all about

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sure well in brief project Titan sorry

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takes the name from Mount Titan which is

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the mountain on which San Marino lies

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nowaday and San Marino city lies

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nowadays so

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um in short it's a way to revive the

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original spirits of the Granada

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1978 initiative led by Sir Eric Gary who

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the first prime minister of this small

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Caribbean island so this is the idea I

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am the Creator and manager of this

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project on behalf of icer and Kun

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because I sir and Kun are the two

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official proposer of this uh project to

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San Marino the project calls for the

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create for San Marino which is a full UN

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member state

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to require to um to submit a proposal to

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the United Nations United Nations for

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the creation of a new office

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a small office which is basically tasked

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with the preparation and organization of

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the world

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UFO UAP conference which is meant to

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assess the point of studies and research

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on the UFO UAP phenomenon and of course

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as uh also as a way to encourage

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International cooperation and of course

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as a venue for the presentation of new

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ideas and so on a meeting point which is

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very important to mention uh which could

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happen in San Marino which is a neutral

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country this is very important so this

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is basically what project Titan is for

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uh project Titan was set up and I've

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prepared project Titan and it was

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already almost one year ago when in

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September mid-september after the 30th

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International UFO Symposium held in San

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Marino by the chain trophological

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nationale the c-u-n

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when it was present it was unofficially

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submitted to the a member of the San

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Marino government the the Secretary of

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State for Public Instruction and

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University but but thus we understood

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later then it was not the proper way to

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go because I mean uh such a project

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needed another kind of approach

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another kind of

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proposing the project to the submarine

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authorities so after um as I started

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scratching my heads for a while and

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considering that we found a good number

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of people some citizens of San Marino

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who were quite in favor enthusiasts

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about about this this project

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and also I did some research in the

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legal system of San Marino and I have

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found that in it exists

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um old institution of direct democracy

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which is basically a popular petition

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it's called istanza daringo

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this is the name so this is stanza is a

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is a is a popular petition which can be

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submitted by just one person one person

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but this is the proper way to go

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because uh once this is stanza this um

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petition is submitted and must be

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submitted to the heads of stage

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addressed and submitted to the heads of

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stage one once that is uh submitted then

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the heads of state have first to check

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that it's admissible in the sense that

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it must be a proposal which has a

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specific character of public utility

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this is the first requirement once the

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two heads of state have verified that

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discrete Criterion Criterion is met then

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they will forward officially

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this petition to the parliament of San

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Marino the parliament of San Marino has

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to

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um debate on this it's not optional it

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the parliament has to debate on on this

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proposal and at the end of this

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debatement it will express its will

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through a vote

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if this vote is positive then the

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parliament will emit a decree will issue

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a decree

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um

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obliging practically obliging the the

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government to act in order to fulfill

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what was requested in this popular

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petition and what was requested in this

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popular petition was just one thing very

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simple that San Marino accepts to

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participate into the action plan of

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project Titan so this is a point so now

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uh I I recently got the positive new

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that news that the capitani rejected the

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two heads of state had cleared this

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um estanza this popular petition for

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debate in Parliament so now there is

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just one step

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before San Marino can submit can bring

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back the discussion on UFOs uaps at the

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United Nation and this step is the uh

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debate the examination and debate in

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Parliament so if this is positive if the

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parliament will issue a positive vote

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then San Marino will be obliged and San

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Marino government will be obliged to

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participate in Project Titan

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and if that happens what is the impact

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going to be or for the UFO subject what

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could come of that

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well it's

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[Music]

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it's not easy to say actually what I

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mean to give a forecast on this but in

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any case the idea on Project Titan as I

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told you the basic idea is to revive the

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spirit of the grenade initiative that is

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uh to put it simply UFOs is a World's

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matter and as such it has to be

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addressed and has to be brought to the

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attention of humanity highest Forum that

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is the United Nation so this is the

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point

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um if this um if everything goes as we

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hope then uh if we will we're gonna have

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a first world UFO or UAP Conference held

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in San Marino

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basically according to the project it

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will be open to any kind of actor

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playing in the uh subject of research

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study research on the UFO uip phenomenon

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as it can be member states organizations

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civil military

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un specialized agencies like the um

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uh International civil aviation

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Organization for instance which is one

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of the most interested in this and so on

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can be and will be open to ngos

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International ngos private organizations

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and selected researchers so I mean this

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is going to be something totally new

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totally new and

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I expect that this if everything goes as

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we hope of course will be a huge

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um how can I say

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[Music]

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it it will be something that give a good

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boost to the credit first of all to The

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credibility of the UFO subject because

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of course if the un

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uh speaks organizes uh organized a UFO

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World Conference it means that it's

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something important mean I mean

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ufologists know this of course but for

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the public opinions of the world this is

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something very important and and I

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suppose that this can I mean maybe the

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first conference will be a bit of

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interlocutory so to speak in the sense

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that we cannot expect a huge results

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from the very first conference but in

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any case it's going to be something very

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important in my in my opinion and and

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especially starting from the seconds I

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think that we should be starting to see

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some

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in my least expectation is that this can

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serve as a way to

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uh once and for all

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um

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make clear that the UFO subject is

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absolutely real is absolutely important

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and is a a worldwide matter and this I

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think that this is going to be the

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the the minimum result results that I

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expect from the from this kind of

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conference and Andy I forgot to say one

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thing that uh concerning the

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Parliamentary debate this according to

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the law which um regulates the istan

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sadarengo

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popular petition uh it has to be debated

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within six months so so in within March

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within the month of March we should have

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a definite yes or no result

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and if it is yes the timing is right so

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that San Marino will be present will be

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submitting this proposal to the U.N

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Secretary General office in uh just

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before the beginning of the general

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assembly which is mid-september every

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year the general assembly of the United

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Nations starts at mid-september so there

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is time because you I mean you know uh

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again it's not just a matter of

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submitting this proposal it's a it's a

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matter of preparing uh Paving the way so

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to speak

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previously with um a sort of um I can

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say lumping uh in activity lobbying I

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mean in the good sense because normally

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no in in this case it must be a I mean a

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positive lobbying action in order to

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diffuse the new explain the reason of

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this proposal because of course you

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cannot of course uh I suppose that most

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of the of the rep Representatives

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diplomatic Representatives

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uh of U.N member states in New York the

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they would say ah what is this UFO USB

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what's that so I mean it is extremely

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important in this case to do an action

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meant to

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um spread the knowledge of the reasons

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of this initiative this so I mean the

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timing would be right in the sense that

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starting from end of uh starting in

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April there was going to be uh

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almost five months of time which is uh

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which is a reasonable reasonable amount

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of time to do this this action

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let me ask would this situation with

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Russia's invasion of Ukraine potentially

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diminish the chance of this being

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successful if it gets through the San

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Marino Parliament and then it's

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presented at the U.N like you say people

554
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can look and think oh UFOs UAP this is

555
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nonsense but hopefully the situation

556
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with Russian Ukraine is resolved long

557
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before then you know as soon as possible

558
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but could that have an impact on this

559
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being successful at the U.N

560
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it's difficult honestly speaking is

561
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difficult to say but I mean that

562
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as a rule of thumb

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the influence could not be very likely

564
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the influence could not be positive in

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the in because you mean there is too

566
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much

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um how can I say

568
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uh the environment the international

569
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environment nowadays is very much

570
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polarized very much the the there's a

571
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lot of uh one against the other attitude

572
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you see which I mean

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this uh this initiative of project Titan

574
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by the way is something that I mean is

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meant to of course is meant to study to

576
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promote the international

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Cooperative study on the UFO phenomenon

578
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but but I mean at least in my My Wish

579
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also also

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is that can

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it could somehow help reduce

582
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this negative attitude which is

583
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prevailing today giving an opportunity

584
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for a confrontation from not not

585
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confrontation in the sense of negative

586
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confrontation I mean of discussion or

587
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giving the possibility of meeting of

588
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talking because it's also a matter of of

589
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persons talking to each other not only

590
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States talking to each other so I mean

591
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but I mean this initiative is really

592
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something that I

593
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I hope could give at least at least a

594
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bit of uh how can I say a fuel to this

595
00:26:46,010 --> 00:26:42,720
possibility of some

596
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uh of of starting

597
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,659
um of going against this this negative

598
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,360
attitude which is prevailing today

599
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well I just want to finish with a line

600
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from your own blog Paolo and I'll put

601
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all your links in social media

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descriptions underneath for people to

603
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,299
follow

604
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:02,940
um but the enchanting neutral setting of

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the city of San Marino and its Mount

606
00:27:10,130 --> 00:27:07,980
Titan both UNESCO world heritage sites

607
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:10,140
could truly become the new Geneva of

608
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,539
UFOs and I truly hope that to be the

609
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,159
case because this is certainly a subject

610
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it could bring Nations and the world

611
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together at a bit of a rocky time so

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Paulo thank you very much for your work

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and continued efforts and thank you for

614
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your time thank you Andy and I hope to

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see you soon with positive news

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening please

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today

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jump back nearly kiss myself and I

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climbed out the

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they thought it was a dream

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your eyes

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it wasn't a Tic-Tac and not quite a